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Martha Adams
2018-07-26 01:47:02 UTC
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I came across this today and I'm posting it here because it's
about money and Slackware. And thus perhaps somehow, about
the future and Slackware.

Seen in, www.tuxmachines.org/node/113860. From, Roy
Schestowitz on 2018 Jly 25 (today).

"Slackware creator in strife, claims store has not paid him."
Where 'Slackware creator' is Patrick Volkerding. Not paid,
in *two years*.

It's a pointer piece, follow the pointer to see some info
development on its topic.

Titeotwawki -- Martha Adams [Wed 2018 Jly 25]
jrg
2018-07-26 15:44:29 UTC
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Post by Martha Adams
I came across this today and I'm posting it here because it's
about money and Slackware. And thus perhaps somehow, about
the future and Slackware.
Seen in, www.tuxmachines.org/node/113860. From, Roy
Schestowitz on 2018 Jly 25 (today).
"Slackware creator in strife, claims store has not paid him."
Where 'Slackware creator' is Patrick Volkerding. Not paid,
in *two years*.
It's a pointer piece, follow the pointer to see some info
development on its topic.
Titeotwawki -- Martha Adams [Wed 2018 Jly 25]
see the thread "Slackware's future" - been ongoing since 7/3, Pat jumped
into it somewhere.
N***@notreal.com
2018-07-27 01:00:59 UTC
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Post by Martha Adams
I came across this today and I'm posting it here because it's
about money and Slackware. And thus perhaps somehow, about
the future and Slackware.
Seen in, www.tuxmachines.org/node/113860. From, Roy
Schestowitz on 2018 Jly 25 (today).
"Slackware creator in strife, claims store has not paid him."
Where 'Slackware creator' is Patrick Volkerding. Not paid,
in *two years*.
It's a pointer piece, follow the pointer to see some info
development on its topic.
Titeotwawki -- Martha Adams [Wed 2018 Jly 25]
There is an actual posting here from Pat with considerable detail. It is
the 8th post down

https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/donating-to-
slackware-4175634729/

or

https://tinyurl.com/yckqf7zh


And a link here from Pat on how to donate. It is the last posit on the
page.

https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/donating-to-
slackware-4175634729/page11.html or

https://tinyurl.com/y7gt4b2e


I for one am long over due to make a contribution and will be making one
now as soon as I have posted this.
.
Miranda Veracruz de la Hoya Cardenal
2018-07-27 08:34:11 UTC
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I don't know wether Pat reads this or anybody cab rely the idea to him:

Post on slackware.com some addresses for donations in
cryptocurrencies. It will make it very easy to send you some money
from overseas.
Eef Hartman
2018-07-27 09:23:26 UTC
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Post by Miranda Veracruz de la Hoya Cardenal
I don't know wether Pat reads this
No, he doesn't.
Post by Miranda Veracruz de la Hoya Cardenal
Post on slackware.com some addresses for donations in
cryptocurrencies.
He posted, in LinuxQuestions, a PayPal account but he doesn't have a
crypto currency account and the one BitCoin account, posted ON the
same thread in LinuxQuestions, is a FAKE, that money does NOT go to him.

Reference:
www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/donating-to-slackware-4175634729/page11.html
(see posts 156 and 165 on that page)

Follow that thread for more news.
Miranda Veracruz de la Hoya Cardenal
2018-07-27 10:36:42 UTC
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Post by Eef Hartman
He posted, in LinuxQuestions, a PayPal account but he doesn't have a
crypto currency account and the one BitCoin account, posted ON the
same thread in LinuxQuestions, is a FAKE, that money does NOT go to him.
Sh*t, I hope it's been pointed out on that thread.
Post by Eef Hartman
www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/donating-to-slackware-4175634729/page11.html
(see posts 156 and 165 on that page)
Follow that thread for more news.
Will do, thanks. In the meantime, if any subscriber to
Linuxquestions can convey the idea, I have a few bucks ready for him
a soon as some crypto address is published on slackware.com
m***@mail.com
2018-07-28 10:03:24 UTC
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Post by Miranda Veracruz de la Hoya Cardenal
Post on slackware.com some addresses for donations in
cryptocurrencies. It will make it very easy to send you some money
from overseas.
+++

for any curencies, and we all appreciate his efforts
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alistair
2018-07-28 11:43:52 UTC
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Post by m***@mail.com
Post on slackware.com some addresses for donations in cryptocurrencies.
It will make it very easy to send you some money from overseas.
+++
for any curencies, and we all appreciate his efforts
Is there a way to donate money without using PayPal, like with a simple
credit card transaction?
John McCue
2018-07-28 12:13:44 UTC
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Post by m***@mail.com
for any curencies, and we all appreciate his efforts
Is there a way to donate money without using PayPal, like with a simple
credit card transaction?
AFAIK no, I suspect setting up things other than
PayPal is a bit time consuming.

I just plugged my nose, created a PayPal account
and donated. The situation seemed dire so I wanted
to do something quickly as possible.

I hope I never have to use PayPal again, and since
my credit card expires soon, the risk is low for me :)

John
Michael Black
2018-07-28 13:58:22 UTC
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Post by m***@mail.com
Post on slackware.com some addresses for donations in cryptocurrencies.
It will make it very easy to send you some money from overseas.
+++
for any curencies, and we all appreciate his efforts
Is there a way to donate money without using PayPal, like with a simple
credit card transaction?
My ISP takes paypal, and I was hesitant to use it, but finally I gave it a
try. They had some code on their webpage so we didn't even have to sign up
to paypal, paypal just funnelled from my charge card to the ISP, though
there are benefits of signing up, sort of. But I'm not sure that can be
doen without some code at the slackware page.

Nothing bad has happened, and I've used paypal for a few years now, mostly
to pay the ISP but for some small purchases. It seems relatively safe
with a credit card, I remember seeing comments about "don't connect your
bank account to paypal", but I"m not sure if that's a generally warning or
just if you are selling.

It's a pretty invisible process, except I have to log into paypal to send
money.

Michael
The Real Bev
2018-07-28 16:39:40 UTC
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Post by alistair
Post by m***@mail.com
Post on slackware.com some addresses for donations in cryptocurrencies.
It will make it very easy to send you some money from overseas.
+++
for any curencies, and we all appreciate his efforts
Is there a way to donate money without using PayPal, like with a simple
credit card transaction?
My ISP takes paypal, and I was hesitant to use it, but finally I gave it a
try. They had some code on their webpage so we didn't even have to sign up
to paypal, paypal just funnelled from my charge card to the ISP, though
there are benefits of signing up, sort of. But I'm not sure that can be
doen without some code at the slackware page.
Nothing bad has happened, and I've used paypal for a few years now, mostly
to pay the ISP but for some small purchases. It seems relatively safe
with a credit card, I remember seeing comments about "don't connect your
bank account to paypal", but I"m not sure if that's a generally warning or
just if you are selling.
Has anyone heard about actual PayPal problems in the last couple of
years or so? I suspect they're no more dangerous than your own bank as
far as on-line transfers go.
Post by Michael Black
It's a pretty invisible process, except I have to log into paypal to send
money.
It's definitely convenient.
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improved by actually buying a ticket."
jrg
2018-07-28 17:06:32 UTC
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It's definitely convenient.
It is that - took me 1 minute to get confirm on donation - I use it for
wiki donations as well. Been using it for 2 years now and finally felt
comfortable enough to link my bank couple months ago.
The Real Bev
2018-07-28 18:16:00 UTC
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Post by The Real Bev
It's definitely convenient.
It is that - took me 1 minute to get confirm on donation - I use it for
wiki donations as well. Been using it for 2 years now and finally felt
comfortable enough to link my bank couple months ago.
I linked my bank so that I could transfer stuff from PP to the bank.
Can't remember when but it was a long time ago. No problems so far.
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Michael Black
2018-07-29 14:42:25 UTC
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Post by The Real Bev
It's definitely convenient.
It is that - took me 1 minute to get confirm on donation - I use it for
wiki donations as well. Been using it for 2 years now and finally felt
comfortable enough to link my bank couple months ago.
I linked my bank so that I could transfer stuff from PP to the bank. Can't
remember when but it was a long time ago. No problems so far.
I wasn't trying to give a bad impression, just that I remember some
warnings from some time back (and that may be longer than I imagine) about
linking a bank account. And thinking about it now, that may be something
about when selling using Paypal, it might be something as simple as people
not liking Paypal taking money out of their account for a refund, or
something. But Paypal has been around for quite a while in internet
terms, so it should be safe. And if someone has a problem, they are
likely to be vocal about it, whatever the problem.

Michael
Erich Hoffmann
2018-07-29 17:59:45 UTC
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Post by The Real Bev
It's definitely convenient.
It is that - took me 1 minute to get confirm on donation - I use it for
wiki donations as well. Been using it for 2 years now and finally felt
comfortable enough to link my bank couple months ago.
I too am using paypal for over a decade now, no problems yet,
and I too sent a donation, and I am a subscriber at the
slackware store a very long time.

As it seems, the slackware store may be part of the problem,
not the solution, but in any case I would be glad to
get rid of the question "is it time to send a donation
and if it is how high should it be?"

As to a simpler solution, could this not be handled like the TeX guys
do it? You subscribe, send a yearly fee, say 12$ for the poor,
36$ for the regulars, and 360$ for the millionaires (sorry for this ;-)?

Of course someone has to manage this, no question,
but if 1000 subscribers send 36$ every year
this someone could be paid, couldn't s/he.

As for me, I have no problems *downloading* the iso file
instead of receiving a DVD. If I had the choice, I'd say
"don't send me a dvd, I'll download it".

I am very very bad in this sort of organizing stuff,
so I probably am wrong. I just think that it is a bad
situation if a lot of people are willing to support
and pay cash but they have to find out how to do it.

Cheers,

erch
notbob
2018-07-29 19:21:43 UTC
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Post by Erich Hoffmann
As for me, I have no problems *downloading* the iso file
instead of receiving a DVD. If I had the choice, I'd say
"don't send me a dvd, I'll download it".
Likewise.

I actually received a subscribed CD (12 or 13) set and the first (boot)
CD was defective. I hadda download a functioning CD boot iso from the
University of Utah (mirror) to load the remaining CD's (all good).

Also, Fry's (a large electronics vendor in NorCal) usta sell boxed sets
of Slackware. I know they sold more than one set, as I've bought sets
from them. I wonder if Pat got any of that $$$$! 8|

nb
Rinaldi J. Montessi
2018-07-28 19:48:19 UTC
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Post by Michael Black
Post by alistair
Post by m***@mail.com
Post by Miranda Veracruz de la Hoya Cardenal
Post on slackware.com some addresses for donations in
cryptocurrencies.
It will make it very easy to send you some money from overseas.
+++
for any curencies, and we all appreciate his efforts
Is there a way to donate money without using PayPal, like with a simple
credit card transaction?
My ISP takes paypal, and I was hesitant to use it, but finally I gave it a
try. They had some code on their webpage so we didn't even have to sign up
to paypal, paypal just funnelled from my charge card to the ISP, though
there are benefits of signing up, sort of.  But I'm not sure that can be
doen without some code at the slackware page.
Nothing bad has happened, and I've used paypal for a few years now, mostly
to pay the ISP but for some small purchases.  It seems relatively safe
with a  credit card, I remember seeing comments about "don't connect your
bank account to paypal", but I"m not sure if that's a generally warning or
just if you are selling.
Has anyone heard about actual PayPal problems in the last couple of
years or so?  I suspect they're no more dangerous than your own bank as
far as on-line transfers go.
I use PayPal regularly on eBay. Never a problem.
Post by The Real Bev
Post by Michael Black
It's a pretty invisible process, except I have to log into paypal to send
money.
It's definitely convenient.
Exactly. Right behind Chase/Amazon.
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John Forkosh
2018-07-28 21:50:05 UTC
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Post by Michael Black
My ISP takes paypal, and I was hesitant to use it, but finally I gave it a
try.
Nothing bad has happened, and I've used paypal for a few years now, mostly
to pay the ISP but for some small purchases. It seems relatively safe
with a credit card, I remember seeing comments about "don't connect your
bank account to paypal", but I"m not sure if that's a generally warning or
just if you are selling.
Has anyone heard about actual PayPal problems in the last couple of
years or so? I suspect they're no more dangerous than your own bank as
far as on-line transfers go. It's definitely convenient.
No problems for me, so far, knock on wood. And lots of vendors
accept paypal payments. So my thinking was (and remains) that
it's safer to give your credit card info once to paypal,
than once each to many individual vendors. The cumulative
probability of a problem the latter way would likely be
much greater.
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John McCue
2018-07-29 14:22:53 UTC
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The Real Bev <***@gmail.com> wrote:
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Post by The Real Bev
Has anyone heard about actual PayPal problems in the last couple of
years or so? I suspect they're no more dangerous than your own bank as
far as on-line transfers go.
Post by Michael Black
It's a pretty invisible process, except I have to log into paypal to send
money.
It's definitely convenient.
I had an issue with them a long time ago, over 10
years ago, so I avoided them. In this round I had to
create a new account 2 days ago to send the donation.
Today I finally today I got confirmation the funds
were sent. 2 days for a transfer seems a bit long :)
But maybe due to the fact I had a new account.

Personally I would rather mail a check or do some kind
of direct bank to bank transfer, but PayPal seemed
to be the quickest way to set up for direct donations.

John
Michael Black
2018-07-29 14:39:37 UTC
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<snip>
Post by The Real Bev
Has anyone heard about actual PayPal problems in the last couple of
years or so? I suspect they're no more dangerous than your own bank as
far as on-line transfers go.
Post by Michael Black
It's a pretty invisible process, except I have to log into paypal to send
money.
It's definitely convenient.
I had an issue with them a long time ago, over 10
years ago, so I avoided them. In this round I had to
create a new account 2 days ago to send the donation.
Today I finally today I got confirmation the funds
were sent. 2 days for a transfer seems a bit long :)
But maybe due to the fact I had a new account.
I get imeediate notification when I use paypal, though more recently
there's not always been an acknowledgement. I wonder if that's because
it's a repetive payment, paying the ISP each month. Certainly when I
started using Paypal, the email notification was there in a blink.
Post by John McCue
Personally I would rather mail a check or do some kind
of direct bank to bank transfer, but PayPal seemed
to be the quickest way to set up for direct donations.
Mailing a check is getting antiquated.

My bank now offers some sort of electronic transfer, but I've not paid
much attention. But I think I need details of the receiver's bank
account, so you need that info, but also maybe people don't want to reveal
it. I'm not sure, I've not used it.

But I suspect banks are catching on, so Paypal may become less important
with time.

Michael
The Real Bev
2018-07-29 15:55:29 UTC
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<snip>
Post by The Real Bev
Has anyone heard about actual PayPal problems in the last couple of
years or so? I suspect they're no more dangerous than your own bank as
far as on-line transfers go.
Post by Michael Black
It's a pretty invisible process, except I have to log into paypal to send
money.
It's definitely convenient.
I had an issue with them a long time ago, over 10
years ago, so I avoided them. In this round I had to
create a new account 2 days ago to send the donation.
Today I finally today I got confirmation the funds
were sent. 2 days for a transfer seems a bit long :)
But maybe due to the fact I had a new account.
I get imeediate notification when I use paypal, though more recently
there's not always been an acknowledgement. I wonder if that's because
it's a repetive payment, paying the ISP each month. Certainly when I
started using Paypal, the email notification was there in a blink.
This one arrived immediately.
Post by Michael Black
Post by John McCue
Personally I would rather mail a check or do some kind
of direct bank to bank transfer, but PayPal seemed
to be the quickest way to set up for direct donations.
Mailing a check is getting antiquated.
Tell that to the State of California, who charges extra (~$17.00) if you
want to pay your state income tax by modern methods. I make all tax
payments by check, along with mailing the bastards chunks of paper. A
number of years ago TurboTax screwed up my electronic payments and from
then on I've sent paper. Gotta keep the post office running!

BTW, you can now sign up to have the USPS send you photos of the mail
you're going to receive (or have already received, but it hardly ever
happens that way). Interesting that one whole delivery was delayed a
day -- I have to wonder exactly what they did with those 3 pieces of
mail overnight.
Post by Michael Black
My bank now offers some sort of electronic transfer, but I've not paid
much attention. But I think I need details of the receiver's bank
account, so you need that info, but also maybe people don't want to reveal
it. I'm not sure, I've not used it.
Mine will send a physical check to a person on a repeating basis, but
last I heard they wouldn't do a direct deposit. They do either paper
checks or direct transfers to businesses.
Post by Michael Black
But I suspect banks are catching on, so Paypal may become less important
with time.
When my employer (long ago, obviously) started offering direct deposit I
waited a year -- let somebody else be the guinea pig. Same with PayPal.
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Cheers, Bev
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that the conspiracy is working." -- Tanuki
jrg
2018-07-29 17:25:53 UTC
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On 07/29/2018 07:39 AM, Michael Black wrote:

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Post by Michael Black
My bank now offers some sort of electronic transfer, but I've not paid
much attention.
They all do but problem is time delay. Its always cranked me when a
bank takes 4 days to transfer funds - its all done through the Federal
Reserve system in a heartbeat. Banks benefit from that float.
notbob
2018-07-29 19:50:53 UTC
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Post by jrg
Banks benefit from that float.
And there are plenty of laws that enable sed same "float".

CA hadda enact a law that sed a bank "must" credit yer checking acct
within two days of yer submitting that check. That's "checking" accts,
only. 'Fund xfers' and other 'xfers' can make a "float" as long as the
bank sez. My late mother had one "float" that took 11 days for the
check to clear! 8|

nb
Richard Kettlewell
2018-07-29 20:12:22 UTC
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Post by jrg
Banks benefit from that float.
And there are plenty of laws that enable sed same "float".
CA hadda enact a law that sed a bank "must" credit yer checking acct
within two days of yer submitting that check. That's "checking"
accts, only. 'Fund xfers' and other 'xfers' can make a "float" as
long as the bank sez. My late mother had one "float" that took 11
days for the check to clear! 8|
If your banks ever start complaining about the difficulty or cost of
doing any better, you might care to remind them that UK retail banks
have managed usually-instant free electronic transfers for a decade now.
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2018-08-14 14:09:54 UTC
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If your banks ever start complaining about the difficulty or cost of
doing any better, you might care to remind them that UK retail banks
have managed usually-instant free electronic transfers for a decade now.
And, as I recall, it's not like the UK retail banks exactly rushed
ahead and implemented it in an extremely enthusiastic and timely
manner.

#Paul
Richard Kettlewell
2018-08-15 08:32:55 UTC
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Post by Richard Kettlewell
If your banks ever start complaining about the difficulty or cost of
doing any better, you might care to remind them that UK retail banks
have managed usually-instant free electronic transfers for a decade now.
And, as I recall, it's not like the UK retail banks exactly rushed
ahead and implemented it in an extremely enthusiastic and timely
manner.
I have some sympathy for caution in adding features to banking; they
have complex and legacy-heavy systems and if they screw up their
customers get very annoyed very quickly, usually with immediate national
media attention.

But being a decade behind the UK is not really excusable in a developed
country l-)
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ruben safir
2018-09-12 22:13:59 UTC
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If your banks ever start complaining about the difficulty or cost of
doing any better, you might care to remind them that UK retail banks
have managed usually-instant free electronic transfers for a decade now.
The UK has those free creditcard machines everywhere... that was great.
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2018-07-29 19:38:45 UTC
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"My bank now offers some sort of electronic transfer...."
Be aware of 'electronic transfers'. Even though my 'local bank' offers
all kindsa freebies fer seniors. an "electronic transfer" cost me almost
$25USDs (for one small xfer of funds to my primary financial
institution). Cheaper to write and mail a check!

Also, NEVER use a "cashier's check" or "bank check". It's a total scam!

I've never had a problem with PayPal. You can choose to use yer
checking acct or yer CC card acct. I've been with PP for over 15 yrs.
Never had a problem. ;)

nb
Yeti
2018-08-02 06:17:10 UTC
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Post by The Real Bev
It's definitely convenient.
True, but those bastards want to charge almost 10% premium for
withdrawing funds from my (debit) card. And don't get me started on the
currency conversion fees.

I'm waiting for Pat to set up a differrent way to support Slackware for now.

Yeti
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2018-08-02 18:06:29 UTC
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Post by The Real Bev
It's definitely convenient.
True, but those bastards want to charge almost 10% premium for
withdrawing funds from my (debit) card. And don't get me started on the
currency conversion fees.
I'm waiting for Pat to set up a differrent way to support Slackware for now.
Yeti
Yes! Because, I've seen a lot of discussion but no convincing *hard
news* about this. What next stranger party would I give my credit
card # and money to, with reasonable belief it's on the up-and-up,
i.e., good and true? For keeping my Slackware up to date? Today,
there's that news out there but I think it's not yet good enough
for really serious application.

(I'm running Slackware64 14.1. I do principally text work and writing
thru emacs, and the current basics being all I need for the work I want
to avoid repeating sessions to catch up to Newer, Newest and Greatest
etc etc. My screen mgr is twm and where I want fine pages plain TeX
works for me. Thus I never moved on to 14.2 and I expect not to until
I get shoved pretty hard.)

And I'd like to have a believably true picture of it, how did we
get to this today? ??

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