Post by Jimmy JohnsonPost by AragornKDE 4 was a bit on the heavy side, but Plasma 5 most definitely
isn't. Its memory footprint is on par with that of XFCE.
Definitely not bloated, but you get (a lot) more bang for the buck.
You're running slackware current kde4 and slackware current kde5?
No, I'm not running Slackware at all, period. :) I'm running Manjaro
here. :p
Post by Jimmy JohnsonI do, and on many different machines, old and new. You want test? I can
give you test. Besides, memory is there to be used and I do trust
patrick to be using my memory properly.
I agree that memory is there to be used. But some people still have a
fairly small amount of RAM in their machines — especially people with
older hardware — and to them, the memory footprint matters.
Over at the Manjaro forum — and in several generic GNU/Linux groups
here on Usenet — we're still seeing people running a 64-bit system in
only 1, 2 or 4 GiB of RAM, and on single- or dual-core machines.
If it ain't broke... ;)
Post by Jimmy JohnsonKDE5 is not complete yet.
Nothing man-made is ever going to be complete. ;)
Post by Jimmy JohnsonAccording to kde their last stable desktop was plasma 5.8.x.
Um, excuse me, but when was the last time you looked at the KDE website
or read any of the announcements at another tech website — e.g. on
Slashdot?
The current KDE Plasma stable release stands at 5.19.4 — running very
smoothly here on Manjaro Stable, thank you very much for asking :p —
and the current long-term-support release stands at 5.18 LTS.
Plasma 5.8 LTS was AGES ago — released in 2016, literally four years
ago, and as an LTS release, it was followed by 5.12 LTS in 2018. And
so now there's 5.18 LTS.
Post by Jimmy JohnsonI use kdf and it's broken in 5.8.x with bugs filed more than 4 years
ago and broken even more in 5.14.5 and even more in 5.19.4.
So you dismiss/reject an entire desktop environment because ONE of its
applications is broken?
Post by Jimmy JohnsonOr maybe you're talking about some other system? I test other systems without
systemd too.
Manjaro does use systemd now. It started off with Gentoo's openrc, but
eventually the choice was made to adopt systemd — I'm not sure on the
factual reason, but it may possibly have been because off GNOME 3
having made systemd into a hard dependency — and a while later the
support for openrc was dropped. There are however Manjaro forks that
use either openrc or upstart.
I have long been a critic of systemd — and I have blocked several
systemd components, such as systemd-homed — but all things considered,
if you look at systemd for what it is, as opposed to being merely an
init replacement — then you'll quickly see that it isn't all that bad.
Just like the traditional init systems, it's all very modular and
interchangeable. It just so happens to be that its developers chose to
throw the whole series of modules into a package with a single name,
causing people to think that it's a monolith.
systemd is actually progress. It may not be traditional, but that
doesn't mean that it would be bad. After all, any modern GNU/Linux
system is already a sufficiently big evolution away from the old
proprietary UNIX versions. And for the better, too.
Post by Jimmy JohnsonKDE5 may suit your purpose but for me it's not there yet. :)
It does indeed suit my purpose, and I happen to be a major KDE fan. ;)
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With respect,
= Aragorn =